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Offline Jon Daly

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Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« on: November 05, 2009, 04:27:05 PM »
I just started my instructor rating yesterday at Rockcliffe. Later next year (in mid summer) I plan to move to London for college and do flight instructing part time. My question to instructors is it worth it? What's it like? How's the pay and benifits? How many hours do you normally fly a day? Is it a commission pay only or is there a base pay as well? Kind of sensative information so feel free to PM. I'd really like to have some of these answered!

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 05:59:00 PM »
um ......

You don't flight instruct for the money.  At least
not for the first 5 or 10 years.

Flight instruction is a form of community
volunteer service, not unlike working in a soup
kitchen for the homeless.
 
Because there are so many kids living in
their parent's basement that are desperate
to build hours in their logbook, the supply
of cheap instructors almost always floods
the low demand, with unsurprising results
on the price of this commodity.

So, forget about the money.  Most people
flight instruct to build hours in their logbook,
which is all wrong, but that's the way it is.

Only in aviation do we have the least experienced
people teaching.  But I digress.

Flight instruction puts hours in your logbook
and teaches you about aviation.  It will make
you a better pilot.  It sure won't teach you
everything about flying, but it's a good place
to start learning.

If that's not a good enough reason, well, frankly
you can probably make better money delivering
pizzas.

Offline Jon Daly

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 06:11:12 PM »
um ......

You don't flight instruct for the money.  At least
not for the first 5 or 10 years.

Flight instruction is a form of community
volunteer service, not unlike working in a soup
kitchen for the homeless.
 
Because there are so many kids living in
their parent's basement that are desperate
to build hours in their logbook, the supply
of cheap instructors almost always floods
the low demand, with unsurprising results
on the price of this commodity.

So, forget about the money.  Most people
flight instruct to build hours in their logbook,
which is all wrong, but that's the way it is.

Only in aviation do we have the least experienced
people teaching.  But I digress.

Flight instruction puts hours in your logbook
and teaches you about aviation.  It will make
you a better pilot.  It sure won't teach you
everything about flying, but it's a good place
to start learning.

If that's not a good enough reason, well, frankly
you can probably make better money delivering
pizzas.

I'm not doing flight instructing for the money. I'm willing to flight instruct because I love flying and the feeling of flight. If I wanted to make better money I would deliver pizza.

No. I want to know because since I'm going to college next year and will need a job and I am understandably concerned about the money. To mistake me for someone whose greedy and neglects their students only for the money and the hours is (no offense) quite frankly your problem.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2009, 10:30:50 PM by Jon Daly »

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 10:18:01 PM »
Pay?  Benefits?  Well, Michael brought in donuts last Sunday morning ....

Most FTUs pay Class 3 and 4 instructors a flat rate per hour flown or hour of PGI (briefing) given.  Some full-time Class One or Two instructors might get a base monthly salary if they carry more non-flying duties and responsibilities. 

The "no fly - no pay" system is one reason why a student is unpopular if he frequently late, cancels bookings, no-shows or grumbles about paying for briefing time.

The best way to get info on the instructor lifestyle is to take one of the younger instructors out for lunch, preferably on a rainy day when all his students have cancelled.  The younger guys can tell you if you can reliably pay tuition or make rent on Class Four flight instruction wages alone.  I doubt it. 
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Offline Jon Daly

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 10:34:34 PM »
Pay?  Benefits?  Well, Michael brought in donuts last Sunday morning ....

Most FTUs pay Class 3 and 4 instructors a flat rate per hour flown or hour of PGI (briefing) given.  Some full-time Class One or Two instructors might get a base monthly salary if they carry more non-flying duties and responsibilities. 

The "no fly - no pay" system is one reason why a student is unpopular if he frequently late, cancels bookings, no-shows or grumbles about paying for briefing time.

The best way to get info on the instructor lifestyle is to take one of the younger instructors out for lunch, preferably on a rainy day when all his students have cancelled.  The younger guys can tell you if you can reliably pay tuition or make rent on Class Four flight instruction wages alone.  I doubt it.

As long as some donuts were boston cream I think I'm good :D
Is it unrealistic though to make $1,300-1,500 a month instructing. Again, I apologize if it comes off likes its just about them money.

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 03:52:45 PM »
BUMP

As I'm considering the Instructor rating, can we revive this thread and update? I'm beginning to think I'd be wasting my time after reading some threads.

Supply/Demand is understood but realistically, what is the average pay for a Class 4 these days? And what hours in a day would that equate too?

I've always had a sense that the rating is a 'means to an airline end' in Canada which is sad really, and as Pigpen said, has 'the least experienced people teaching' because of it. The feeling I get from the US is that one can actually make a viable career of it.

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 09:50:22 PM »
I've considered the instructor rating for a long time, pratically since I've had my plane.  Because I love flying, and teaching flying.  I took someone up for a flight, just for a flight, and I ended up spending several times with that person afterwards just talking about flying and aviation and what the instruments do and how to fly.

I just have to get CPL first... and I've already not have time or money to fly so.... Someday I'll get there.

But I just want to "instruct" to teach people about flying and pique their interest.  I work in IT and plan on staying that course, and would like to do the instructing as a "weekend job".

I've heard several years ago that an instructor was paid less than half the hourly rate charged, and only paid while they are in the air.  So if its a slow day.. but Im sure every club/school also has different methodologies for paying their instructors.
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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2013, 09:52:32 AM »
I feel the same way Nicolas and if I could be selective I'd only train Private pilots. They, for the most part, want to experience the joy of flying and are not entering the cut-throat world of commercial aviation, but realities of life also mean that I'd have to be able to make a living and pay bills.

So any one care to present the average pay for a Class 4? Class3?

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2013, 01:05:51 PM »
What's the difference between a flight instructor and a large pizza?

A large pizza can feed a family.    :lol_hitting:
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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2013, 06:45:27 PM »
I've only seen two ways to be a flight instructor.

Total immersion and living the life of a monk from the expenditure side.

Or part time with a way to pay the pills while doing the thing you are passionate about.

Most monks move onto higher jobs in the industry. I'm finishing my Commercial and am considering option B especially when i already have a house to pay for and have done training in the past.

Brent

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2013, 05:52:13 PM »
Don't quote me but I believe Class 4 instructors are paid in the $18/ hour range. 

Another option for instructors these days is to teach at colleges.  You are typically paid a fairly decent salary (for you age, experience, etc) with benefits.  I remember back when I was a full time instructor at RFC I looked up what a similar experienced instructor at a college was being paid and it was in the $40000/year range.

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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2014, 09:01:52 PM »
How's the pay and benefits?

Just for the record, when I instructed a very long time ago, my base salary was $300/month and $9.25/hr for the first 40 hours and $12.25/hr thereafter. Ground instruction did not count to any of that time.

Things have surely changed. Poor, but not a single regret. Teaching is some of the best training you'll ever get.
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Re: Calling on RFC/OFC instructors
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2017, 02:28:03 PM »
What's the difference between a flight instructor and a large pizza?

A large pizza can feed a family.    :lol_hitting:

Good one!

Here is another...

I know there is money in aviation....I put it there.
Alex

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